hey,
new here, but not to super 8.
still, while i still own a nice canon camera, i don't have a projector.
i want to do an installation where i project a super 8 film loop. i don't remember how far back you need to get to get a decent sized image -- like, 4 or 5 feet wide. do you need to get as far back as with a 16 mm projector, or is the lens on most S8 projectors wider? does it depend on the maker?
i'd rather not have to get more than 8-10 feet away if i can help it.
if this doable, and there's a *special* projector i need, any ideas where i could acquire it?
meanwhile -- the film loop. i kind of like the idea of stringing the film up to the high ceiling so that i can loop a 3 minute roll's worth -- but if that doesn't work, does anyone have any other ideas? is there some kind of loop gadget i could get?
thanks a lot for your help.
new here, but not to super 8.
still, while i still own a nice canon camera, i don't have a projector.
i want to do an installation where i project a super 8 film loop. i don't remember how far back you need to get to get a decent sized image -- like, 4 or 5 feet wide. do you need to get as far back as with a 16 mm projector, or is the lens on most S8 projectors wider? does it depend on the maker?
i'd rather not have to get more than 8-10 feet away if i can help it.
if this doable, and there's a *special* projector i need, any ideas where i could acquire it?
meanwhile -- the film loop. i kind of like the idea of stringing the film up to the high ceiling so that i can loop a 3 minute roll's worth -- but if that doesn't work, does anyone have any other ideas? is there some kind of loop gadget i could get?
thanks a lot for your help.
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Re: projector question(s)
Tue, January 23, 2007 - 5:26 PMWhile i love the idea of walking into a space and seeing a Super8 loop projecting, i wonder if you would get more mileage (less ripped sprocket holes, scratches, etc.) out of doing a transfer to video/DVD and using a digital projector? It doesn't answer the question, but for the sake of preserving the original film, it might be worth looking into.
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Re: projector question(s)
Wed, January 24, 2007 - 9:20 AMi want to do it super8 exactly because of what you said -- that you'd love to see it *as film.*
it's all about the old school.
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Re: projector question(s)
Fri, January 26, 2007 - 11:23 AMThe projectors I have would need to be back around 15 feet to get the 4-5 foot image you're thinking of, though it varies by the lens on the projector. You could put a wide angle adaptor on it but that would reduce the amount of light coming out.
Now as for the loop there are various options. One as you already figured out is simply to pull it way out of the projector, like up to the ceiling or whatnot. I've seen this done and it works well, but keep in mind that 3 minutes is more than forty feet of film, so 20 feet up, 20 feet down or any number of permutations like that.
Another option that I once saw was a box on top of the projector where the film bunches up as its fed through. This takes up a lot less space but unless done properly can result in jams and breaks. The container the film feeds into and out of has to be very precisely measured so that the film can't twist or bind. You also need to avoid sharp corners. I wish I had a photo of the rig but I don't.
The Hart House Film Festival in Toronto does a super 8 loop installation in the festival lobby every year. Maybe try and get in touch with the guy who runs it, Rick Palidwor. He could probably help you out. The man's obsessed with super 8. -
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Re: projector question(s)
Sun, January 28, 2007 - 4:28 PMhey!
thanks!
these are great suggestions, i really appreciate it. i'll try to get in touch with that guy in toronto. -
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Re: projector question(s)
Sun, January 28, 2007 - 4:58 PMoh!
the wide angle adaptor? any ideas on how to rig that? a friend of mine said just gaffer tape it.
i don't mind having reduced brightness -- i want a washed out, ghostly image, actually.
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Re: projector question(s)
Sun, February 18, 2007 - 7:59 PMI've seen a box with spring-loaded pulleys inside of it, so the film goes back and forth a whole bunch.
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